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October 30th, 2003


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11:23 pm - proper!
Poll #198789 my linguistic variation like..

which is the thing keanu reeves says all the time?

whoa
15(60.0%)
woah
10(40.0%)

(30 shots upside the head | en garde!)

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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 11:22 am (UTC)

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IX? Scrabble? what?
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From:johnbot
Date:October 31st, 2003 11:24 am (UTC)

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When dan and I used to play scrabble, we'd use dictionary.com as the arbitor of any disputes. Go look up IX. I think it means 9. ;)
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 11:40 am (UTC)

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then why was it included as part of the reply to me? whose side are you one? and it doesnt count as an invented word when its just a misspelling of a real word.
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From:johnbot
Date:October 31st, 2003 11:44 am (UTC)

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It was just an example of dictionaries being messed up.

Misspelling according to who? Is 'centre' not a word either because it's a variation?

I am on the side of me! I did vote woah though.
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 12:59 pm (UTC)

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misspelling according to any dictionary ever. centre is the british spelling and thus is acceptable in countries speaking the queen's english but yes, is a misspelling in the US.
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From:johnbot
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:03 pm (UTC)

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Er, I wouldn't call "centre" incorrect in the US any more than "center" would be incorrect here, or "color", or any other US-butchered word. It's a spelling variation, but there's no requirement that you switch depending on the country you're in.
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:09 pm (UTC)

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but you are not a standard of anything (other than Johny-ness) so it doesnt matter if you wouldnt consider it correct.
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From:johnbot
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:21 pm (UTC)

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Okay then, so who gets to decide? If it's the dictionary folk, they admit the existance of centre too, and other variations of the chiefly US versions. The point is, in language, "standards" are very shakey, because nothing is set in stone. Even all the crazy spelling rules have exceptions.
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:57 pm (UTC)

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none of the crazy spelling rules have exceptions that allow misspelling to be correct.
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From:kingnixon
Date:October 31st, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)

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of course it counts! the word "pea" was originally a misinterpretation of "pease", they thought it was plural when it wasn't
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:00 pm (UTC)

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it doesnt count until its in the dictionary.
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From:johnbot
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:02 pm (UTC)

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That's silly.. if that were the case, new words would never make it into the dictionary because we wouldn't be allowed to use them. The dictionary is a reflection of our language, not the other way around.
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:07 pm (UTC)

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no. dictionaries reflect the language, its true, however until a word enters the dictionary because its been used by millions of people in the same context, its not a word, its slang, a pop culture reference (such as 'doh') or, in the case of 'woah' a sign of the inability to spell correctly.
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From:johnbot
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:17 pm (UTC)

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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=d%27oh

The selection of a word by an elite group of individuals to be in the dictionary is not the point in which it becomes an actual word. Words are often in widespread use by many millions of people before they're even entered in the dictionary (if they ever are).

According to the dictionary, 'word' is defined as:

A sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing or printing, that symbolizes and communicates a meaning and may consist of a single morpheme or of a combination of morphemes.

Nothing in that says that a word needs to be officially sanctioned to exist, but only that it has to communicate a meaning. If we couldn't call that group of letters a word, what would we call it? "Woah" isn't a sign of an inability to spell, as Dan quite clearly demonstrated that he can spell "whoa". However, to use "whoa" to describe what Keanu was saying would be incorrect, just as it would be incorrect to transcribe a speech by G.W. and use "nuclear".
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From:ardentdelirium
Date:October 31st, 2003 01:56 pm (UTC)

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I didn't say "d'oh" wasn't a word, I was using it as an example simply because it is a pop culture thing pretty much everyone recognizes.

why would using 'whoa' to describe what he says be incorrect? No one has proven that it is, in fact, 'woah' and if you had the resources to check the script (the real one--the ones transcribed on the internet Im sure have a mishmash of either) I'm willing to bet it says "whoa" and he says what they write for him.

When people transcribe Bush mispronouncing nuclear they still spell its nuclear because nucular is not a word.

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