November 17th, 2005
so i just saw batman begins. what a stupid shallow self-important undercutting piece of crap. and it didnt even have good action scenes!
so now i will make stirfry.
okay i suppose i could say more, in case anyone cares. here's a revamped version of what i said to carter:
it was bad drama and bad action and bad pretensious*. i thought the action was boring and the direction was like a tv movie (except during the trippy parts. nolan can do mindfucks). and the mvoie tried so hard to be deeper and meaningful, but its points sucked when it bothered to make them - good people are good and bad people are bad and crazy people are bad, for no reason. social darwinism. and he made such a big deal about not killing and splitting from the league, but he basically tried to kill rhas twice. just because he didn't finish it himself, that's crap; he may as well shoot him and say he didn't do it, the bullet did it
the villians sucked. falcone had 1 good scene, in the restaurant, but he was gone too fast. scarecrow was cool (i loved the guy playing him), but they made no attempt to explain his deal and he didn't do that much. and for a league of shadows that has existed for thousands of years, it sure was small and easy to beat. the ninjas and gangsters and cops were 99% generic, which isn't bad for background people running around, but earns them no points either.
it tried very hard to be dark and intense drama, which would be great. i thought it failed at what it tried to be. and by trying, it ruined the backup of most superhero movies, which is silly mindless fun (it also made the one-liners seem really out of place).
the development of batman was better than any of the other movies, which is good. i liked the part at joe chill's trial. his bat fixation was really hokey though. i didn't get the deal with lucious fox. what was he even doing there? if his job was to invent shit that nobody wanted to keep him out of trouble, why didn't they just fire him in the first place? it seemed easy enough when the guy got around to it. gary oldman was cool, but gary oldman is always cool. and generally, i thought burton's had a cooler tone. this was regular noir.
i'll still see the sequel. x-men sucked, but i love the shit out of the 2nd one
* bad pretensious is when a movie thinks it has said something meaningful, but it hasn't. good pretensious is when a movie tries to say something that actually is meaningful, but it doesn't quite get there. zardoz has spoken.
yay for middle of the night frying, though. I just made scallion pancakes, myself.
yes! i love scallions, they grew in the backyard of the house i grew up in. i would go out there and find one to chew on.
|Date:||November 17th, 2005 11:10 am (UTC)|| |
i enjoyed it. but then i find christian bale quite attractive.
over the summer casey and i went to the drive-in movie theater and that was the last movie playing. it was around 11ish and i fell asleep about 2 minutes after it started. he woke me up and said let's go. this proves to me one of two things. 1. i am an awful date or b. batman begins sucked major assage. you decide.
my vote goes for option b, but for me to say for sure we will have to date. when shall i pick you up?
|Date:||November 17th, 2005 02:03 pm (UTC)|| |
I liked it, but then I'm shallow. JYM
I liked it, but I was much more interested in Christian Bale's chest than any silly plot!
nice icon! speaking of interesting chests
LOL. I figured you'd enjoy Naughty!Willow.
|Date:||November 17th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)|| |
What! Batman Begins is friggin masterpiece. Did you miss the part where Gary Oldman had a moustache? A moustache! Ohhh man so good.
that part was a treat, i will allow.
|Date:||November 17th, 2005 02:47 pm (UTC)|| |
This confirms my opinion that your opinion with regard to movies is of no use to me. =D
It also makes me think that you dislike popular stuff on purpose to be a more unique and special snowflake. It's a theory anyway.
|Date:||November 17th, 2005 05:40 pm (UTC)|| |
agreed on the first point.
and on the second... ahahahahahaha.
don't egg him on! he's just mad that i don't like star wars and lotr
|Date:||November 18th, 2005 07:16 am (UTC)|| |
i now retract my statement. ;)
|Date:||November 18th, 2005 10:53 am (UTC)|| |
I don't like the new Star Warses. You can not like those all you want. LotR you are wrong though. Yes, it is an opinion, no, yours is not correct. =)
i'll note that the only defenses of this movie that anyone's tried to make so far are christian bale's chest and gary oldman's moustache. and admittedly, it was a fine moustache.
and there's plenty of popular movies i like. just not these ones.
|Date:||November 18th, 2005 02:10 am (UTC)|| |
Why try to defend it to you? You seem rather set in your negativity, and you seem happy with it. But, for the sake of science, here
is a bunch of positive that you will not agree with. *shrug*
i somewhat agree with that. i thought the fights were boring, but the acting was very good. i loved scarecrow, i wish there'd been more of him
kindergarten cop. i watched it on tv a couple weeks ago and it was as fun as i remembered.
|Date:||November 18th, 2005 05:50 am (UTC)|| |
I'll say this. If you're watching a random movie, points like the ones you made are valid. However, it's based on a comic book. And if you've read Batman's origin and backstory (second only to Spidey in comic books), the movie was amazing. Not only that, but most people I've talked to who have seen it (everyone but you, actually) loved it. I think you should go into a movie looking to be entertained, not blown away by its artistic integrity and cinematic genius. If you're entertained, it did its job. If you're impressed or enlightened or whatever, all the better. But to expect every movie to deliver in those areas is not only absurd, but it's unrealistic. Was it on the level of "The Shawshank Redemption" and "Life as a House"? No. Was it a damn good movie as far as entertaining the viewer goes? Yes.
i go into a movie expecting it to do whatever it wants to do well. there are plenty of movies that shoot for nothing more than entertainment, and they deliver, and i love them (the rock is a favorite). this was clearly attempting to be something more than that, and in my opinion it failed, and further its entertainment value suffered for all the time and energy spent in other directions
In that case, you're dead wrong. This movie set out to explain Batman's origin, which is did perfectly. There's a big difference between what you think a movie is trying to do and what the makers of the movie were trying to do. You're clearly overcomplicating the film, which is why you didn't like it. You can't hold the movie responsible if you were expecting too much from it and were let down.
|Date:||November 18th, 2005 11:16 am (UTC)|| |
I was about to object to this harshly, but then remembered you rather liked "War of the Worlds." So, I think I may simply give up and agree with the previous comment: "This confirms my opinion that your opinion with regard to movies is of no use to me. =D"
But really, there is more I feel like saying, but I'm lazy, so who knows if I'll bother to formalize my thoughts. Perhaps.
That was going to be my comment, too! Something about how "Dan likes War of the Worlds so I can't trust his opinion" blah blah blah
I saw Batman Begins a few months ago when it came out and I really liked it. I can't really remember why since I saw it in June, I'd have to see it again to give you specific reasons. I just remember enjoying it a lot and thinking it was much more intense than the rest of the series. That scarecrow dude was fucked up. Cillian Murphy is amazing.
And, what, you didn't like LOTR? Star Wars I can understand because they're really not *that* good, but the Lord of the Rings movies are great. What sucked about them to you?
the scarecrow guy was really cool, i'll allow. who is that dude?
what sucked about lotr to me was everything except the visuals. the script and characters sucked, it was all too long and portentious, the battles were too pretty, and the end was super anticlimactically pointless, followed by 19 additional endings in case anyone isn't weeping yet
fair enough. but do remember WHY i liked war of the worlds-- it would have been much better if they'd thrown out the plot and characters and just shown 2 hours of the aliens invading and eating people.