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March 2nd, 2008

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10:48 pm - let's stop deciding things
WARNING after 2 paragraphs i realize that i can't manage to say what i am thinking here, so the post just kind of stops inconclusively.

i recently read diaspora by greg egan. aside from a terribly flat beginning, it is really a marvelous book. i'm not here to write you a review though, suffice to say much of it is about people in the future who have effectively turned their minds into computer programs and live in giant software worlds. this is the first thing i've read from egan, and near as i can tell he's brilliant and has more ideas than he can possibly keep track of through an entire book. so naturally the idea that most caught my mind is only mentioned once and never discussed at all. ah well.
at one point a character, yatima, is asked to make a yes/no decision she's[1] unsure about. she runs a simulation of herself that tells her she is 90% likely to say yes. so rather than waste days of her friend's time pondering the question, she just says yes straight off. (whether the simulation took its own effects into account was not mentioned).
so what just happened? rather than make a decision, yatima ran a program that told her what she would probably do, and then did that. putting aside the question of how accurate a program like that could actually be (especially at speeds that would make it any more useful than just doing your own deciding), what in hell would you DO with such a thing? say you ask it "will i marry bob and move to mexico?" and it says you are 85% likely not to. now you could say okay i probably won't anyway and tell bob to ship off alone. or you could give that 15% chance its due and weigh the merits yourself. but i know for myself at that point i would want to say yes to bob out of sheer petulance.
at this point i realized that i can't really articulate why this self-simulation idea boggles me so much, except that imagine if someone went their entire life basing their decisions on what the simulator said they would probably do (i don't think that's very far-fetched, in a hypothetical world where such programs have caught on). this wouldn't change any events of their life from what most likely would have happened anyway, so nothing is different. but they would have no idea why they'd done anything. would their life have any meaning to them?
also: http://www.blogcadre.com/blog/jason_striegel/how_i_failed_the_turing_test_2005_09_04_13_26_29

[1] sidenote: he's not really a he. as most humans now exist as only the abstract concepts of people, most of them don't bother to have genders at all (this is a big assumption on egan's part, but seems as reasonable as the opposite), and refer to themselves with ve/vir/etc pronouns. i was tempted to use these above, but then my post would have been much harder to read for no reason.
np: the car alarm that has been going on and off sputteringly for a good 5 minutes now

(4 shots upside the head | en garde!)


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Date:March 3rd, 2008 09:25 am (UTC)
This reminds me of a book I read, "Circuit of Heaven" by Dennis Danvers. It deals with a computer-generated paradise called "the Bin" and the repercussions a mass uploading of the population has on society. It also has a sequel, "End of Days," but I've yet to read it.
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Date:March 3rd, 2008 05:51 pm (UTC)
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Date:March 3rd, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
you need to write something for the next writ issue. i already have someone doing a book review, but anything else would be totally fine. let me know if that's too open ended and i'll try to give you a more defined view. basically we just need a couple more articles. do you want to do a music review? it could be local or otherwise. an interview or not. i'm really open to anything. let me know if you're in! our deadline is mid-aprilish, so there's plenty of time to do it.
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Date:March 30th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
oops i forgot about this. i'm sure i can come up with some stuff to review. i bought some books and cds the other day, i will explain why everything i like rules and everythingi hate sucks!

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