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September 12th, 2001

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06:57 pm - bud sent me this..
"As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia ­ paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally ­ hacking and raping and murdering their way through refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead."
-Noam Chomsky
np: Bach - Toccata & Fugue in D minor

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Date:September 13th, 2001 02:16 pm (UTC)
As regards attempting to get into the heads of the people responsible for this:

There's a sort of hatred which scares the heck out of me, because I don't understand it. I've never
felt it towards anybody, even after the events of Tuesday. It's a powerful, unfocused sort of hatred
which doesn't care too much who gets it up the ass, so long as *somebody* gets it up the ass. We've
just had a pretty good demonstration of what results from that sort of hatred... and I know it's not
over yet... because I've seen that hatred in so many of the people around me in the last couple days.
People who want us to send planes over to the middle east (many of them aren't too choosy about
exactly where) and bomb the heck out of the place. "They didn't care who they killed, why should we?"
(A couple people I know have said those exact words.) I can't help but think that those people already
understand what was in the heads of the perpetrators, a lot better than *I* ever hope to.

Joel T.
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Date:September 13th, 2001 06:31 pm (UTC)
For those who don't get it, let me lay it out for ya: There has been many atrocities perpetrated in the middle east by the Palestinians crying, "Gimme gimme gimme!" and when not recieving what they want, blowing up school buses full of children. They wanted the land, Israel offered them 99% but they turned it down. They wanted all or nothing. So they went to war. And lost. And lost even more land. And now they are crying in their beer. So they decide to kill civilians. Why do you think America is allied with Israel? Because America is Jewish? Give me a fucking break. It's because we don't like people that blow children up. Purposefully. If the Israeli army has harmed any civilian children, it is because they are in the line of fire while defending Israelin civilians from Palestinian attacks. Read the fucking news. Don't just look at the pictures.
For anyone to say that what these madmen did was justified because of U.S. Policy was utter bullshit. Were those civilians going about their daily lives in the World Trade Center bombing wherever? No. They were doing business and signing papers and answering phones. They were the victims of cowards.
If a country doesn't like our policy, let them go to war with our military. Not with our children.
And if you disagree with me, you're an asshole. And if you don't like that I said that, I don't care.
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Date:September 13th, 2001 06:33 pm (UTC)
let me add this:
I think anyone who supported, harbored, or assisted in these attacks should die. Or rather, i don't care if the military kills them.
As for just bombing an area, I am against that. I don't want to see other innocents killed because of what their government did. That is 2 wrongs not equalling a right.
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Date:September 14th, 2001 03:33 pm (UTC)
On a talk radio show, people were discussing whether we should bomb the crap out of Afghanistan because they're harboring the guilty terrorists (this is on the assumption that they are harboring them)

"And kill innocent civilians?" one person asked.

"They aren'tinnocent," was the reply. "They support a government that helped this to happen."
If what he said is true, no one on earth is innocent.
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Date:September 14th, 2001 06:44 pm (UTC)


I agree

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